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In the latest episode of the Herald & Review Outside the Box podcast, deputy sports editor Justin Conn and sports reporter Joey Wagner talk with MacArthur head football coach Derek Spates.

They talk about Spates' playing days, how he got into coaching, what MacArthur football means to him and how he is more than a football coach. Spates also talks about coaching his son and nephews.

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Contact Joey Wagner at (217) 421-6970. Follow him on Twitter: @mrwagner25

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